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Is there really still a question? Snowball II (talk) 20:25, February 8, 2024 (EST)

The Simpsons is not the same as the movie Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. They are different. And when the subtitles and Simpsons World give his name as Payne, not Paine, that is what we go with as that is what the show calls him. The Solar Dragon 06:53, February 9, 2024 (EST)

I wouldn't push back this much except unlike a lot of other movie references or parodies, "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" is so central to the episode and the episode itself so explicit about the real-world movie (to the point of literally having Jimmy Stewart's daughter). Unsure if you ever watched it, but it just looks weird having not being Senator Paine as much as this wiki had Clarke Kent and if the subtitles had Clarke Kent, this wouldn't even be an issue. I get Senator Paine isn't a major part of pop culture and this is very, very minor, but if the remake was "Mr. Smyth Goes To Washington" I'd buy this being deliberate, but a scenario is that it's just a misspelling which wouldn't be very usual since Paine and Payne sound the same or two they go to such effort to literally designing the Sen. Paine character to look like Claud Rains and say the same lines while copying his voice, but changed the spelling for no real reason and only did it for outside the episode. Snowball II (talk) 08:34, February 9, 2024 (EST)

The fact of the matter is that multiple official sources spell his name as "Payne" for The Simpsons. Disney+ subtitles, Simpsons World book, Simpsons World website script. It doesn't matter if there's a character in the real film called "Paine". In The Simpsons, he's called "Payne". And all my sources confirm this. The Solar Dragon 10:03, February 9, 2024 (EST)

It's not as if these sources are infallible [1] and even this wiki contradicts it. I'm relucent to give examples since it might just sidetrack into debating them, but an example is Gladys Gurney where is clearly called Miss Bouvier in dialogue of the episode and the official guide book sourcing have it as the same yet also clearly Marge's mom's sister so I get why it's Gurney on this wiki by using real-knowledge of how sisters have the same last name or real world knowledge of the differences between maiden names and married names. I feel like I could have found a more apt example, but it's just the one that first occurred to me. Disney+ was Roger Meyers as Myers and not treated as cannon although I also get there are other sources for Meyers spelling. Still works as an example of not just automatically deferring to subtitles.

The episode gags only really makes sense using real-world knowledge of the real Mr. Smith Goes To Washington I can get real world and the episodes can be fuzzy and the completely different, but I'm not trying to insert some major contrition here. Honestly checked and Payne is the more popular spelling and guessing nobody double check this for a one-line character who is fictional even with in the Simpsonsverse. I read on old post of yours about the time and effort for no pay it takes for you to keep this wiki going while not getting much appreciation so made a mental note to not whine about no backs-on-the-back for my own rinky-dink edits, but I did take the pain (I think that's a pun) to look into this stuff within this article only as a way to explain why I'm still pushing back on this Payne spelling. Snowball II (talk) 11:46, February 9, 2024 (EST)

I am aware that Simpsons World can have errors sometimes. And it's for this reason that I use multiple sources to check names if I can. For Senator Payne, I have access to the Disney+ subtitles, Simpsons World book, and the archived Simpsons World episode scripts. Only other source there would be for the name are the DVD subtitles. And unfortunately I don't have the season 11 DVD on hand to check those. In the end, all three sources I checked have given his name as "Payne". I also checked Elliott when you moved his page. And I noticed a discrepancy between the Simpsons World script and the Disney+ subtitles, with the script giving the name Elliot, and the subtitles giving the name Elliott. And I concluded that the page should be at Elliott due to the subtitles and the original character in E.T. having his name spelled that way. If all the sources I checked had it spelled Elliot, I would have moved the page to that.

I don't just move pages to names because I feel like it, I check all the Simpsons sources I can to make a decision if someone thinks a page is at the wrong name. And if my sources tell me it should be spelled a certain way, I go for that way. The Solar Dragon 15:28, February 9, 2024 (EST)

I wish I could think of a funnily apt Simpsons reference,[2] but the one that comes to mind that scene of following the GPS directions [3]

I'm also not just doing it because I feel like it, but because it's accurate to the movie they went out of their way to be implicit as anyone can it's the Jimmy Stewart "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" and also better for getting hits from internet search.Snowball II (talk) 16:07, February 9, 2024 (EST)