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	Hi. What would be the notability status for "Unnamed, speaking character"? Should they get an article? I was thinking of creating the "Redhead in Chicago School System" ([https://www.imdb.com/es/title/tt0701165/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cst_sm as named on IMDb]), who was voiced by [[Nancy Cartwright]] but just says "Pepsi" on [[Lisa's Wedding]]. --'''[[User:Simpsons88\|Simpsons88]]''' ([[User Talk:Simpsons88\|Talk ☎️]]) 07:08, September 29, 2025 (EDT)		Hi. What would be the notability status for "Unnamed, speaking character"? Should they get an article? I was thinking of creating the "Redhead in Chicago School System" ([https://www.imdb.com/es/title/tt0701165/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cst_sm as named on IMDb]), who was voiced by [[Nancy Cartwright]] but just says "Pepsi" on [[Lisa's Wedding]]. --'''[[User:Simpsons88\|Simpsons88]]''' ([[User Talk:Simpsons88\|Talk ☎️]]) 07:08, September 29, 2025 (EDT)
		+	:I'm personally against those kinds of articles tbh. There's not enough that can be said about them. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 07:19, September 29, 2025 (EDT)

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	I think with these two new rules added, it'll make the criteria stricter, but still fair. And it'll stop tiny articles being made for songs. Of course, any songs that are sung, but do not meet this new criteria, can still be listed in the References pages and List of songs pages. So, any more input on this will be helpful before I start to enforce it. And even when I do start to enforce it, I'll add the deletion notices and post on [[Wikisimpsons:Pages for deletion]] to get input on them, at least for the start of the new policy coming into effect. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:46, September 10, 2025 (EDT)		I think with these two new rules added, it'll make the criteria stricter, but still fair. And it'll stop tiny articles being made for songs. Of course, any songs that are sung, but do not meet this new criteria, can still be listed in the References pages and List of songs pages. So, any more input on this will be helpful before I start to enforce it. And even when I do start to enforce it, I'll add the deletion notices and post on [[Wikisimpsons:Pages for deletion]] to get input on them, at least for the start of the new policy coming into effect. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:46, September 10, 2025 (EDT)
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		+	== Character notability ==
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		+	Hi. What would be the notability status for "Unnamed, speaking character"? Should they get an article? I was thinking of creating the "Redhead in Chicago School System" ([https://www.imdb.com/es/title/tt0701165/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cst_sm as named on IMDb]), who was voiced by [[Nancy Cartwright]] but just says "Pepsi" on [[Lisa's Wedding]]. --'''[[User:Simpsons88\|Simpsons88]]''' ([[User Talk:Simpsons88\|Talk ☎️]]) 07:08, September 29, 2025 (EDT)

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	*Homer's "Call Me Maybe" parody (probable title "Drink Me Maybe") would get an article as it represents the entire chorus of the song it parodies.		*Homer's "Call Me Maybe" parody (probable title "Drink Me Maybe") would get an article as it represents the entire chorus of the song it parodies.
	My $.02 worth ... -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] ([[User talk:Mythigator\|talk]]) 00:07, July 9, 2014 (EDT)		My $.02 worth ... -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] ([[User talk:Mythigator\|talk]]) 00:07, July 9, 2014 (EDT)
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		+	== Songs ==
		+	I've been thinking about tweaking the notability policy for songs for a while now. We currently have it so that any songs sung by a character on the show get an article, no matter what the length is. This has led to some song articles being made where there's only one line, or only a handful of words. I feel that we need to become a bit stricter in the criteria for song notability.
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		+	So, these are some of the new notability criteria I've been thinking of implementing:
		+	*Real-world songs should only get articles if more than two lines are sung. So, three or more lines.
		+	*Real-world songs should only get articles if they exceed 6 or more seconds in the episode. This is because I've noticed a trend in songs that many of the shorter songs do last for around 6 seconds.
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		+	I think with these two new rules added, it'll make the criteria stricter, but still fair. And it'll stop tiny articles being made for songs. Of course, any songs that are sung, but do not meet this new criteria, can still be listed in the References pages and List of songs pages. So, any more input on this will be helpful before I start to enforce it. And even when I do start to enforce it, I'll add the deletion notices and post on [[Wikisimpsons:Pages for deletion]] to get input on them, at least for the start of the new policy coming into effect. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:46, September 10, 2025 (EDT)

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	:This is a wiki about the Simpsons. I like articles about mentioned characters, it's funny to read which celebrities that has been namned in the series and how many times. I someimes find this infomration important. I don't like unnamed characters, if it's not a guest star. I like articles about magazines, comics and books, I know some images are ugly but it's fun to have. If we should stay big we should accept as many typ of articles we can. I only like namned brand products and not articles about bacon but I think donuts it's important. I like articles about songs that only has lyrics, it's often a parody on a real song and you know then the music./[[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] ([[User talk:AleWi\|talk]]) 10:51, July 6, 2014 (EDT)		:This is a wiki about the Simpsons. I like articles about mentioned characters, it's funny to read which celebrities that has been namned in the series and how many times. I someimes find this infomration important. I don't like unnamed characters, if it's not a guest star. I like articles about magazines, comics and books, I know some images are ugly but it's fun to have. If we should stay big we should accept as many typ of articles we can. I only like namned brand products and not articles about bacon but I think donuts it's important. I like articles about songs that only has lyrics, it's often a parody on a real song and you know then the music./[[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] ([[User talk:AleWi\|talk]]) 10:51, July 6, 2014 (EDT)
	::If a mentioned character is mentioned several times, then they should get an article, I agree. Just once, they can be mentioned on the references page. They're just too small articles to have. I'd much rather us have less pages than more pages that are only one or two lines in length. Hence these suggested changes. These articles will be stubs and will always be stubs. We don't want a wiki full of stubs. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 11:26, July 6, 2014 (EDT)		::If a mentioned character is mentioned several times, then they should get an article, I agree. Just once, they can be mentioned on the references page. They're just too small articles to have. I'd much rather us have less pages than more pages that are only one or two lines in length. Hence these suggested changes. These articles will be stubs and will always be stubs. We don't want a wiki full of stubs. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 11:26, July 6, 2014 (EDT)
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		+	I've been giving the comic songs notability issue some thought. After several brainstorming sessions, my thinking is that a comic story song is notable if:
		+	#It is original and clearly indicated to be a song rather than spoken dialogue, or
		+	#It is a parody of a real song, clearly indicated to be a song, and the portion seen in the comic story represents at least a substantial majority of a chorus or verse of the real song.
		+	A line or two of a real song "heard" in passing should get a mention on the story's References page, but doesn't justify its own article.
		+	By the above reasoning, following on from a discussion a few weeks ago on Solar's talk page ...
		+	*"Maggie and Moe Mysteries Theme Song" would deserve its own article. (Original song, complete in itself)
		+	*Snippets from "Memory", "Singing in the Rain", and "Shall We Gather at the River" would not get their own articles because they're too short.
		+	*The "N-A-C-H-O" song (parody of "Bingo Was His Name, Oh") would get an article as the parody represents the whole chorus. Also, the song is sufficiently well-known for the parody to be recognizable.
		+	*Homer's "Call Me Maybe" parody (probable title "Drink Me Maybe") would get an article as it represents the entire chorus of the song it parodies.
		+	My $.02 worth ... -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] ([[User talk:Mythigator\|talk]]) 00:07, July 9, 2014 (EDT)

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	I have made changes to the policy [[User:Solar Dragon/Notability\|in my userspace]] so please read and discuss here. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 09:12, July 6, 2014 (EDT)		I have made changes to the policy [[User:Solar Dragon/Notability\|in my userspace]] so please read and discuss here. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 09:12, July 6, 2014 (EDT)
	:This is a wiki about the Simpsons. I like articles about mentioned characters, it's funny to read which celebrities that has been namned in the series and how many times. I someimes find this infomration important. I don't like unnamed characters, if it's not a guest star. I like articles about magazines, comics and books, I know some images are ugly but it's fun to have. If we should stay big we should accept as many typ of articles we can. I only like namned brand products and not articles about bacon but I think donuts it's important. I like articles about songs that only has lyrics, it's often a parody on a real song and you know then the music./[[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] ([[User talk:AleWi\|talk]]) 10:51, July 6, 2014 (EDT)		:This is a wiki about the Simpsons. I like articles about mentioned characters, it's funny to read which celebrities that has been namned in the series and how many times. I someimes find this infomration important. I don't like unnamed characters, if it's not a guest star. I like articles about magazines, comics and books, I know some images are ugly but it's fun to have. If we should stay big we should accept as many typ of articles we can. I only like namned brand products and not articles about bacon but I think donuts it's important. I like articles about songs that only has lyrics, it's often a parody on a real song and you know then the music./[[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] ([[User talk:AleWi\|talk]]) 10:51, July 6, 2014 (EDT)
		+	::If a mentioned character is mentioned several times, then they should get an article, I agree. Just once, they can be mentioned on the references page. They're just too small articles to have. I'd much rather us have less pages than more pages that are only one or two lines in length. Hence these suggested changes. These articles will be stubs and will always be stubs. We don't want a wiki full of stubs. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 11:26, July 6, 2014 (EDT)

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	I have made changes to the policy [[User:Solar Dragon/Notability\|in my userspace]] so please read and discuss here. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 09:12, July 6, 2014 (EDT)		I have made changes to the policy [[User:Solar Dragon/Notability\|in my userspace]] so please read and discuss here. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 09:12, July 6, 2014 (EDT)
		+	:This is a wiki about the Simpsons. I like articles about mentioned characters, it's funny to read which celebrities that has been namned in the series and how many times. I someimes find this infomration important. I don't like unnamed characters, if it's not a guest star. I like articles about magazines, comics and books, I know some images are ugly but it's fun to have. If we should stay big we should accept as many typ of articles we can. I only like namned brand products and not articles about bacon but I think donuts it's important. I like articles about songs that only has lyrics, it's often a parody on a real song and you know then the music./[[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] ([[User talk:AleWi\|talk]]) 10:51, July 6, 2014 (EDT)

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 Food and drink:
 *Things like [[Beer Battered Chicken]] etc. should be counted as generic food products. We should only have articles for named brand products and those food items that appear a lot (i.e. donuts, pork chops, bacon) as a lot more emphasis is placed on them.
 I have made changes to the policy [[User:Solar Dragon/Notability|in my userspace]] so please read and discuss here. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 09:12, July 6, 2014 (EDT)

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	I think we could have section for fictional products (esp. food and drink). Right now we have a bunch of very generic food related articles. Also, shouldn't there be a section about merchandise, or is that elsewhere? --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 09:59, 15 May 2012 (EDT)		I think we could have section for fictional products (esp. food and drink). Right now we have a bunch of very generic food related articles. Also, shouldn't there be a section about merchandise, or is that elsewhere? --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 09:59, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
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		+	== More changes ==
		+	I think the time has come for us to go over this policy again. We have a lot of crap minor articles that I think need to be deleted, merged and the like.
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		+	Characters:
		+	*Mentioned characters shouldn't get articles if they are mentioned briefly, in one line of dialogue, or if their name is seen briefly. Unless a huge amount of emphasis is placed on them. This includes celebrities and cast and crew. This would eradicate a lot of celebrity articles that don't have a lot of information on them.
		+	*Unnamed characters who say one line at most should not have an article. i.e. [[Doo-De-Doo Boy]], unless voiced by a guest star. Reasoning is that people won't be searching for these kinds of characters and them having an article is just stupid. In fact, the policy says "who play a decent part in an episode", which should be clarified to mean more than one line.
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		+	Media:
		+	*There's a lot of magazines and comics etc. that appear in the show or comics that are just titles on a rectangle. I feel that these types of articles should be deleted. Mainly those magazines and comics made from one word which just don't have enough focus on them. Those the camera lingers on and shows some design should stay.
		+	*Books where only the spines are seen and generic books like "Math" and "Algebra" shouldn't get articles as they are only minor.
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		+	Food and drink:
		+	*Things like [[Beer Battered Chicken]] etc. should be counted as generic food products. We should only have articles for named brand products and those food items that appear a lot (i.e. donuts, pork chops, bacon) as a lot more emphasis is placed on them.
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		+	I have made changes to the policy [[User:Solar Dragon/Notability\|in my userspace]] so please read and discuss here. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 09:12, July 6, 2014 (EDT)

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	== Products ==		== Products ==

−	I think we could have section for fictional products (esp. food and drink). Right now we have a ~~[[Mayo\|~~bunch]] of ~~[[Scotch\|~~very~~]] [[Gin\|~~generic~~]] [[Peanut Butter\|~~food~~]] [[Ketchup\|~~related~~]] [[Vodka\|~~articles]]. Also, shouldn't there be a section about merchandise, or is that elsewhere? --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 09:59, 15 May 2012 (EDT)	+	I think we could have section for fictional products (esp. food and drink). Right now we have a bunch of very generic food related articles. Also, shouldn't there be a section about merchandise, or is that elsewhere? --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 09:59, 15 May 2012 (EDT)

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	"If a movie or TV show has been referenced at least 5 times on The Simpsons, it gets an article." I think 3 times would be better. [[User:FatHomer\|<b><span style="color: teal">FatHomer</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:FatHomer\|Talk]]</sup> 10:52, 25 March 2012 (EDT)		"If a movie or TV show has been referenced at least 5 times on The Simpsons, it gets an article." I think 3 times would be better. [[User:FatHomer\|<b><span style="color: teal">FatHomer</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:FatHomer\|Talk]]</sup> 10:52, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
	:We discussed this at an editor meeting and decided on 5. <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 10:57, 25 March 2012 (EDT)		:We discussed this at an editor meeting and decided on 5. <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 10:57, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
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		+	== Products ==
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		+	I think we could have section for fictional products (esp. food and drink). Right now we have a [[Mayo\|bunch]] of [[Scotch\|very]] [[Gin\|generic]] [[Peanut Butter\|food]] [[Ketchup\|related]] [[Vodka\|articles]]. Also, shouldn't there be a section about merchandise, or is that elsewhere? --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 09:59, 15 May 2012 (EDT)