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Solar Dragon: /* Names */

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Snowball II at 12:32, February 19, 2024

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Snowball II at 12:18, February 19, 2024

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Snowball II: /* Relatives */

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	[[User:Solar Dragon]]: What is the policy for "name="? I put "Discothèque Stuart" and "Oscar Gums Murphy" following other articles using "Barnard Gumble", "Horatio McCallister", "Jeffrey Albertson", "Marjorie Bouvier Simpson", etc. with "name=", but I see you reverted the ones I changed. [[User:OQ25\|OQ25]] ([[User talk:OQ25\|talk]]) 23:14, December 15, 2024 (EST)		[[User:Solar Dragon]]: What is the policy for "name="? I put "Discothèque Stuart" and "Oscar Gums Murphy" following other articles using "Barnard Gumble", "Horatio McCallister", "Jeffrey Albertson", "Marjorie Bouvier Simpson", etc. with "name=", but I see you reverted the ones I changed. [[User:OQ25\|OQ25]] ([[User talk:OQ25\|talk]]) 23:14, December 15, 2024 (EST)
		+	:Infobox name should be the same as the page name. Others should be changed. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 08:26, December 16, 2024 (EST)

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	::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W\|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)		::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W\|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)
	Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member of real-world people were brought, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback. Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)		Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member of real-world people were brought, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback. Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)
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		+	== Names ==
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		+	[[User:Solar Dragon]]: What is the policy for "name="? I put "Discothèque Stuart" and "Oscar Gums Murphy" following other articles using "Barnard Gumble", "Horatio McCallister", "Jeffrey Albertson", "Marjorie Bouvier Simpson", etc. with "name=", but I see you reverted the ones I changed. [[User:OQ25\|OQ25]] ([[User talk:OQ25\|talk]]) 23:14, December 15, 2024 (EST)

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 :::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania because it does in real life even if the show also exists in a world where impossibly New Jersey and Texas are bordering each other. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W|Katie Holmes}} and {{W|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
 ::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)
-Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member of real-world people were brought, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback.  Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of any effect only affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)
+Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member of real-world people were brought, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback.  Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)

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 :::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania because it does in real life even if the show also exists in a world where impossibly New Jersey and Texas are bordering each other. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W|Katie Holmes}} and {{W|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
 ::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)
-Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member has been, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback.  Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of any effect only affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)
+Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member of real-world people were brought, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback.  Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of any effect only affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)

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 :::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania because it does in real life even if the show also exists in a world where impossibly New Jersey and Texas are bordering each other. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W|Katie Holmes}} and {{W|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
 ::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)
-Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member has been, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then anymore than additional information There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback.  Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of any effect only affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)
+Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member has been, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationalities are never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then as would happen wit aby other additional information. There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback.  Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of any effect only affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)

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	:::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania because it does in real life even if the show also exists in a world where impossibly New Jersey and Texas are bordering each other. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W\|Katie Holmes}} and {{W\|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.		:::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania because it does in real life even if the show also exists in a world where impossibly New Jersey and Texas are bordering each other. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W\|Katie Holmes}} and {{W\|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
	::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W\|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)		::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W\|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)
		+	Maybe feeling this about me is just in my own head. Unsure what precisely I've done to get so second guessed. I get these are edits you wouldn't make, but I figured that's just the fun of wikis are different folks with different interests and niches. I can read you stating your take on this policy except I didn't just make up this standard since only started adding them after I saw on articles wikilinks to family members even ones where the relationship isn't referenced in any episode or other material. Now suddenly it gets reverted. "We just don't know" isn't consistent with already established policies. Being related to a fictional character doesn't make a totally different reality no more than a real-world actor can't live anywhere since he/she went to Springfield which doesn't exist. Seems as if anytime a family member has been, they go out of their way to be accurate like Mel Gibson in the show having the same number of children as he did in real life. Taking creative liberties with real world people happens for sure, but its stuff like Bette Midler and Krusty owning a racehorse together or her chasing down litterbugs or Sting being Krusty's opening act and biggin to rescue Bart from the well, but as to real-world person who also has well-known real life family members doesn't that different from knowing nationalities since generally being the same since Nicole Kidman or Tom Cruise's nationality is never mentioned either, but it's accurate and informative. If there's an episode where Nicole Kidman is directly mentioned as single and ready to mingle, it's not the biggest thing to just change it then anymore than additional information There seems like a basis against actors since historical figures also get changed from the real world yet no pushback. Tom Cruise is an American, but it's not an issue to just restate that fact. If ever there's an episode where there's a gag that Tom Cruise is secretly Panamanian, just a quick edit, but doesn't mean we can't or don't know he's American in the Simpsonsverse until then. Also point out this kind of any effect only affects maybe a dozen or so pages. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 07:12, February 19, 2024 (EST)

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 ::::To go into the real-world people having different relatives in the show thing, {{Ch|Luke Perry}} is Krusty's brother, [[Jessica Simpson]] is said to be a cousin of the Simpson family in "[[The Blue and the Gray]]" and {{Ch|Ken Burns}} is related to Mr. Burns, as seen in the family tree in ''[[C. Montgomery Burns' Handbook of World Domination]]''. Although being a book, the canon of that one is debatable. So, celebs can have different relatives in the franchise than real life.
 ::::As for occupations, I guess we could cut back on some of the ones that celebs aren't as well known for, unless it's stated in the show. For example, we have some celebs listed as "philanthropists", or authors (even if they're not known for being an author) and we should just stick with the obvious ones. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:06, February 18, 2024 (EST)
-:::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W|Katie Holmes}} and {{W|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
+:::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania because it does in real life even if the show also exists in a world where impossibly New Jersey and Texas are bordering each other. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W|Katie Holmes}} and {{W|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
 ::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)

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	::::To go into the real-world people having different relatives in the show thing, {{Ch\|Luke Perry}} is Krusty's brother, [[Jessica Simpson]] is said to be a cousin of the Simpson family in "[[The Blue and the Gray]]" and {{Ch\|Ken Burns}} is related to Mr. Burns, as seen in the family tree in ''[[C. Montgomery Burns' Handbook of World Domination]]''. Although being a book, the canon of that one is debatable. So, celebs can have different relatives in the franchise than real life.		::::To go into the real-world people having different relatives in the show thing, {{Ch\|Luke Perry}} is Krusty's brother, [[Jessica Simpson]] is said to be a cousin of the Simpson family in "[[The Blue and the Gray]]" and {{Ch\|Ken Burns}} is related to Mr. Burns, as seen in the family tree in ''[[C. Montgomery Burns' Handbook of World Domination]]''. Although being a book, the canon of that one is debatable. So, celebs can have different relatives in the franchise than real life.
	::::As for occupations, I guess we could cut back on some of the ones that celebs aren't as well known for, unless it's stated in the show. For example, we have some celebs listed as "philanthropists", or authors (even if they're not known for being an author) and we should just stick with the obvious ones. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:06, February 18, 2024 (EST)		::::As for occupations, I guess we could cut back on some of the ones that celebs aren't as well known for, unless it's stated in the show. For example, we have some celebs listed as "philanthropists", or authors (even if they're not known for being an author) and we should just stick with the obvious ones. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:06, February 18, 2024 (EST)
		+	:::::I think it's different having fake/fictional relatives in nonexistent Springfield as oppose to implicitly different relative from real ones especially notable ones in their own right. Luke Perry or Ken Burns are harder examples to use as overall template since the show goes out of the relate them to their own fictional characters as a gag, but also since neither have famous relatives of real-life character are made totally different by the show. So if Luke Perry had married a famous actress how that would be made different by being Krusty's half brother. Because ''The Simpsons'' isn't always 100% matching with real life, therefore unless make something clear doesn't seem like a totally workable standard nor is it even the standard used. Philadelphia is mentioned, but it's not a big deal to just add it's in Pennsylvania. Tom Cruise's has two other ex-wives who are working actresses and probably notable in their own right, {{W\|Katie Holmes}} and {{W\|Mimi Rogers}}. Whether they do or don't "exist" in the Simpsonsverse because their ex-husband does doesn't really matter since they themselves have never been brought up in anyway by the show or other material and I wouldn't and haven't added them. But Keith Urban is there and Nicole Kidman is there with articles (sorry kept coming back to Nicole Kidman, but it's just the most recent) and a small wikilink doesn't seem to contradict anything.
		+	::::: Feel free to ignore this suggest, but I've noticed the first line of the Wikipedia article on real-world person is reused. A tip I have tried is going to the disambiguation page since often more succinct. i.e. for [[Franz Kafka]] just looked at {{W\|Kafka (disambiguation)}} versus the first line of the article proper. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 13:55, February 18, 2024 (EST)

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	::It's never pointed out directly that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are married, but seems fine to go with it. Not trying to defy Simpsons canon, but also don't want to obfuscate either. Couldn't the creative liberties go with real-world unless canon makes implicit different from the real-world. The standard "we can assume" seems like a hard to standard to apply so nationality and profession are the same, but also have different relatives. The Taika Waititi example seems as a different standard since he isn't a known thief in real life, he might not have the same relatives in the show. Plus unlike alive or decease status (i.e. band members of Green Day are actually alive (although haven't checked today)) I'm trying to think of multiple examples where a real-world character on the show make beyond clear does not have the same relatives within the Simpsons reality as they do in the real-world. William Howard Taft didn't have an extramarital affair with a fictional Mr. Burns' mother, but within the show he does which means that's what on his article yet doesn't change who were his real life relatives are versus the show's version of him. Jessica Simpson is the Simpson family's cousin, but while that different than reality still unsure how it would change who her little sister or husband were. And beyond plenty examples of real-world people have the same relatives within the show particular when the other relative is also well-known in his/her own right. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 09:32, February 18, 2024 (EST)		::It's never pointed out directly that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are married, but seems fine to go with it. Not trying to defy Simpsons canon, but also don't want to obfuscate either. Couldn't the creative liberties go with real-world unless canon makes implicit different from the real-world. The standard "we can assume" seems like a hard to standard to apply so nationality and profession are the same, but also have different relatives. The Taika Waititi example seems as a different standard since he isn't a known thief in real life, he might not have the same relatives in the show. Plus unlike alive or decease status (i.e. band members of Green Day are actually alive (although haven't checked today)) I'm trying to think of multiple examples where a real-world character on the show make beyond clear does not have the same relatives within the Simpsons reality as they do in the real-world. William Howard Taft didn't have an extramarital affair with a fictional Mr. Burns' mother, but within the show he does which means that's what on his article yet doesn't change who were his real life relatives are versus the show's version of him. Jessica Simpson is the Simpson family's cousin, but while that different than reality still unsure how it would change who her little sister or husband were. And beyond plenty examples of real-world people have the same relatives within the show particular when the other relative is also well-known in his/her own right. [[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 09:32, February 18, 2024 (EST)
	:::The show toke the effort to find the actual name of Vincent Price's real life unfamous grandson is an indication of a default towards reality like nationalities or professions unless the "creative liberties" is in service of an overt gag.[[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 10:44, February 18, 2024 (EST)		:::The show toke the effort to find the actual name of Vincent Price's real life unfamous grandson is an indication of a default towards reality like nationalities or professions unless the "creative liberties" is in service of an overt gag.[[User:Snowball II\|Snowball II]] ([[User talk:Snowball II\|talk]]) 10:44, February 18, 2024 (EST)
		+	::::To go into the real-world people having different relatives in the show thing, {{Ch\|Luke Perry}} is Krusty's brother, [[Jessica Simpson]] is said to be a cousin of the Simpson family in "[[The Blue and the Gray]]" and {{Ch\|Ken Burns}} is related to Mr. Burns, as seen in the family tree in ''[[C. Montgomery Burns' Handbook of World Domination]]''. Although being a book, the canon of that one is debatable. So, celebs can have different relatives in the franchise than real life.
		+	::::As for occupations, I guess we could cut back on some of the ones that celebs aren't as well known for, unless it's stated in the show. For example, we have some celebs listed as "philanthropists", or authors (even if they're not known for being an author) and we should just stick with the obvious ones. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 13:06, February 18, 2024 (EST)