Evidence for the location of Springfield's state - Revision history

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2601:C4:C380:1850:F9BE:7371:9CA8:9A29: /* North Dakota */

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 === Regions ===
-One of the couch gags (which cannot be considered canon) zoomed out and showed the Simpsons' house in Springfield, Illinois. While Springfield, Illinois has a Shelbyville 50 miles to the southeast, and a nuclear power plant 40 miles to the north-east, there has not been any indication that it is 'the' Springfield, and could be coincidental. However, ''The Simpsons'' does make an indirect reference to the Illinois city; in the episode where Homer is in a graveyard at night digging a plot, discarded dirt covers up the grave of Adlai Stevenson (a prominent Illinois politician and two-time US presidential candidate, buried in Bloomington, Illinois, 50 miles to the northeast). In the episode "[[G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)]]", the [[Squeaky-voiced teen]] quits his job to go work at "Jolly Tamale" which is a small but somewhat popular Mexican restaurant in Springfield, Illinois. The Simpsons' street, [[Evergreen Terrace]], is a notoriously poor section of Springfield, Illinois.
+One of the couch gags (which cannot be considered canon) zoomed out and showed the Simpsons' house in Springfield, Illinois. While Springfield, Illinois has a Shelbyville 50 miles to the southeast, and a nuclear power plant 40 miles to the north-east, there has not been any indication that it is 'the' Springfield, and could be coincidental. However, ''The Simpsons'' does make an indirect reference to the Illinois city; in the episode where Homer is in a graveyard at night digging a plot, discarded dirt covers up the grave of Adlai Stevenson (a prominent Illinois politician and two-time US presidential candidate, buried in Bloomington, Illinois, 50 miles to the northeast). In the episode "[[G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)]]", the [[Squeaky-Voiced Teen]] quits his job to go work at "Jolly Tamale" which is a small but somewhat popular Mexican restaurant in Springfield, Illinois. The Simpsons' street, [[Evergreen Terrace]], is a notoriously poor section of Springfield, Illinois.
 The couch gag sequence of ''The Simpsons'' episode entitled "[[The Ziff Who Came to Dinner]]" again left the location of Springfield something of a mystery. The sequence featured a "zooming out" from the Simpson household to a satellite view, then a solar system view, and so on in a parody of the 1977 documentary short Powers of Ten. The sequence contained plenty of cloud cover, but put Springfield somewhere in the Midwest, probably near the Mississippi River (Iowa, or maybe Missouri). The latter location is also suggested in the episode "[[Lisa the Tree Hugger]]" in which Lisa tries to protect the oldest tree in Springfield. To do so, she climbs a giant sequoia tree to prevent a team from cutting it down. When looking down on Springfield she sees a structure resembling the Gateway Arch in St. Louis, Missouri (but also the Space Needle in Seattle, Washington) In the background, the Statue of Liberty in New York, and the Eiffel Tower in Paris, France can also be seen, along with a large river. It should be noted that the Eiffel Tower appears to be closer than the Statue of Liberty, which is impossible.

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 In [[The Simpsons Movie]], [[Russ Cargill]] goes to see "President Schwarzenegger". [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] was the governor of California.
-In the episode "[[Itchy & Scratchy Land]]", The Simpsons family briefly has to stop at a Fruits and Vegetables Checkpoint, causing Homer to panic (as he was apparently smuggling Fruits and Vegetables as a side job). Fruits and Vegetables Checkpoints are a very common place in California.
+In the episode "[[Itchy & Scratchy Land]]", The Simpson family briefly has to stop at a Fruits and Vegetables Checkpoint, causing Homer to panic (as he was apparently smuggling Fruits and Vegetables as a side job). Fruits and Vegetables Checkpoints are a very common place in California.
 According to the episode "The Seven-Beer Snitch" (episode fourteen of The Simpsons' sixteenth season), there's a gas chamber in the Springfield prison. Only five states have a gas chamber as an option for capital punishment in their prisons: California, Arizona, Wyoming, Missouri and Maryland. This coupled with the fact that Springfield is located on an ocean and the sun sets on it seems to leave California as the only possibility.
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 In the episode "[[Marge vs. the Monorail]]", monorail salesman [[Lyle Lanley]] proclaims "I've sold monorail systems to [[Brockway]], [[Ogdenville]], and [[North Haverbrook]]! And, by gum, it put them on the map!" He then holds up a map of the U.S. where Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook are the only cities shown. Marge then later drives to nearby North Haverbrook (where everybody resents there being a monorail there, despite the sign at the city limits saying "Where the Monorail is KING!"). The map shows North Haverbrook in the Midwest, approximately in Iowa. It should be noted that since the monorail seller was a fraud, the map may not be accurate and made to make sure all three cities fit on the map.
-In the episode "[[Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield]]", the Simpsons go to the Ogdenville outlet mall to get a new television. The sign in Springfield indicates that it is only '90 miles' to Ogdenville. When Lyle Lanley holds up the map, Ogdenville is in New Mexico and Brockway appears to be in South Carolina).
+In the episode "[[Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield]]", the Simpsons go to the Ogdenville outlet mall to get a new television. The sign in Springfield indicates that it is only '90 miles' to Ogdenville. When Lyle Lanley holds up the map, Ogdenville is in New Mexico and Brockway appears to be in South Carolina.
 In the episode "[[Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington]]", when it is Lisa's turn to speak, it shows a map where Springfield is in "Illinois".

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 However, it snows abundantly in Springfield's state during the winter, and while it does sometimes snow in Texas, it's normally not that heavy.
-In addition, it is confirmed in [[Bart vs. Lisa vs. the Third Grade]] that Springfield's state is in the North and sided with the Union in the Civil War, while Texas is in the South and seceded to the Confederacy.
+In addition, it is confirmed in "[[Bart vs. Lisa vs. the Third Grade]]" that Springfield's state is in the North and sided with the Union in the Civil War, while Texas is in the South and seceded to the Confederacy.
 It took the Simpson family only a few minutes to get to [[Mexico]], and since Texas borders the ocean and Mexico, it could be considered the place. However, this can be dismissed also because Texas does ''not'' border 5 different states on one side.<ref>"[[The Bob Next Door]]"</ref>
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 In the [[Powers of Ten parody]] couch gag, where the screen zooms out of the universe from the Simpsons' house, it appears to zoom out of Illinois, and there is a real city named Springfield in Illinois. However, since that Springfield is the capital of Illinois, and the capital of Springfield's state is Capital City, that rules out Illinois. Alternatively, that opens up the possibility of the location being Springfield, Illinois, and capital city being a fictional placeholder made up, hence the name.
-Springfield has often been shown on a (presumed) ocean. Illinois does not border an ocean, but does in fact have a coastline on Lake Michigan, which could possibly appear similar to an ocean. Illinois was also part of the Union in the Civil War and is a northern state, as is Springfield's state as mentioned by Lisa in [[Bart vs. Lisa vs. the Third Grade]]. Illinois also has a Major League Baseball team in [[Capital City]], which appears similar to [[Chicago]], which has two MLB teams in real life (although in real life, the capital of Illinois is Springfield).
+Springfield has often been shown on a (presumed) ocean. Illinois does not border an ocean, but does in fact have a coastline on Lake Michigan, which could possibly appear similar to an ocean. Illinois was also part of the Union in the Civil War and is a northern state, as is Springfield's state as mentioned by Lisa in "[[Bart vs. Lisa vs. the Third Grade]]". Illinois also has a Major League Baseball team in [[Capital City]], which appears similar to [[Chicago]], which has two MLB teams in real life (although in real life, the capital of Illinois is Springfield).
 The public square found in the Simpson's "Springfield" is very similar to that of one in Springfield, Illinois. At the center of the square, is a statue of Abraham Lincoln, much like that of Jebediah Springfield.

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 The '''location of [[Springfield's state]]''' is a topic of much discussion.

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 === Ohio ===
-There is a real-life [[wikipedia:Springfield, Ohio|Springfield]] located in southwestern Ohio, outside of Dayton.
+There is a real-life {{W|Springfield, Ohio|Springfield}} located in southwestern Ohio, outside of Dayton.
 However, according to "[[Dancin' Homer]]", Springfield's state has an MLB team in [[Capital City]], its (hence the name) capital and largest city. Ohio has two baseball teams, one in Cleveland and one in Cincinnati, but not in its capital Columbus.

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 === North Dakota ===
-In "[[Moe Letter Blues]]" Moe mentions moving to Springfield because its zip code on a calculator spells "boobs". This would mean the zip code is 58008 or 80085. 58008 is assigned to Barney, North Dakota. But, in Kill the Alligator and Run, the family says they are still welcome in North Dakota, Bart saying he wants to move to the Dakotas, proving they don't live there.
+In "[[Moe Letter Blues]]" Moe mentions moving to Springfield because its zip code on a calculator spells "boobs". This would mean the zip code is 58008 or 80085. 58008 is assigned to Barney, North Dakota.
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 === Texas ===
-A road sign at the Springfield city limit lists a distance of 676 miles to [[Mexico City]]. Thus, Springfield would be located in southern Texas.<ref>"[[Marge in Chains]]"</ref>
+A road sign at the Springfield city limit lists a distance of 676 miles to [[Mexico City]]. Thus, Springfield would be located in South Texas.<ref>"[[Marge in Chains]]"</ref>
 It took the Simpson family only a few minutes to get to [[Mexico]], and since Texas borders the ocean and Mexico, it could be considered the place. However, this can be dismissed also because Texas does ''not'' border 5 different states on one side.<ref>"[[The Bob Next Door]]"</ref>

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 In the episode "[[Blood Feud]]", a thank you letter from [[Mr. Burns]] has a return address of "1000 Mammon Ln, Springfield" with scribbles following which could be construed as "IL, 22617".
-In one of the episode intros, where the screen zooms out of the universe from the Simpsons' house, it zooms out of Illinois, and there is a real city named Springfield in Illinois. However, since that Springfield is the capital of Illinois, and since the Simpson's capital is Capital City, that rules out Illinois. Alternatively, that opens up the possibility of the location being Springfield, Illinois, and capital city being a fictional placeholder made up, hence the name.
+In the [[Powers of Ten parody]] couch gag, where the screen zooms out of the universe from the Simpsons' house, it appears to zoom out of Illinois, and there is a real city named Springfield in Illinois. However, since that Springfield is the capital of Illinois, and the capital of Springfield's state is Capital City, that rules out Illinois. Alternatively, that opens up the possibility of the location being Springfield, Illinois, and capital city being a fictional placeholder made up, hence the name.
-Springfield has often been shown on a (presumed) ocean. Illinois does not border an ocean, but does in fact have a coastline on Lake Michigan, which could possibly appear similar to an ocean. Illinois was also part of the Union in the Civil War and is a northern state. Illinois also has a Major League Baseball team in [[Capital City]], which appears similar to [[Chicago]], which also has a MLB team in real life (although in real life, the capital of Illinois is Springfield).
+Springfield has often been shown on a (presumed) ocean. Illinois does not border an ocean, but does in fact have a coastline on Lake Michigan, which could possibly appear similar to an ocean. Illinois was also part of the Union in the Civil War and is a northern state, as is Springfield's state as mentioned by Lisa in [[Bart vs. Lisa vs. the Third Grade]]. Illinois also has a Major League Baseball team in [[Capital City]], which appears similar to [[Chicago]], which has two MLB teams in real life (although in real life, the capital of Illinois is Springfield).
 The public square found in the Simpson's "Springfield" is very similar to that of one in Springfield, Illinois. At the center of the square, is a statue of Abraham Lincoln, much like that of Jebediah Springfield.
-In one episode, an "Abraham Lincoln Squirrel" was found and murdered in Springfield. Illinois is considered Lincoln's home, and so this could widely encourage the Illinois theory.
+In "[[Radio Bart]]", an "Abraham Lincoln Squirrel" was found (and, like Lincoln, later assassinated) in Springfield. Illinois is considered Lincoln's home, and so this could widely encourage the Illinois theory.
-In episode "[[The Town]]" while in Boston, Bart mentions grandpa is 1000 miles away, which is the right distance to Springfield Illinois.
+In episode "[[The Town]]" while in Boston, Bart mentions grandpa is 1000 miles away, which is the right distance to Springfield, Illinois.
-In "[[There Will Be Buds]]" the kids play football (and later lacrosse) at [[Child Soldier Field]], which is based on the real life Soldier Field that the real world Chicago Bears play at in Illinois.
+In "[[There Will Be Buds]]" the kids play football (and later lacrosse) at [[Child Soldier Field]], which is based on the real life Soldier Field where the real world Chicago Bears play at in Illinois.
 Springfield, Illinois is located on Lake Springfield.
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 There is an Evergreen Court Lane in Springfield, Illinois.
-However, on a Bart Simpson fake ID, it stated the state was Illinois.
+However, on a Bart Simpson novelty ID, it stated the state was Illinois.
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