Blog:Changes to notability policy - Revision history

Solar Dragon at 18:17, February 4, 2013

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Solar Dragon at 17:57, December 5, 2012

2012-12-05T17:57:22Z

Solar Dragon at 17:45, December 5, 2012

2012-12-05T17:45:19Z

Solar Dragon: /* Another possible option */

2012-12-05T17:33:02Z

‎Another possible option

Cook879: /* Another possible option */

2012-11-30T23:01:58Z

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Kingcjc: /* Another possible option */

2012-11-30T21:06:10Z

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Mythigator: /* Another possible option */

2012-11-30T13:48:12Z

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Nick97: /* Another possible option */

2012-11-30T00:46:40Z

‎Another possible option

Solar Dragon at 18:02, November 29, 2012

2012-11-29T18:02:39Z

Cook879: /* Keep the policy as it is */

2012-11-29T17:50:05Z

‎Keep the policy as it is

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 :Sure, some articles may be lower than mentioned characters, but they are notable things, for example, tab pages, like you said. That Wedge Antilles article has a "History" of one line, which to me, is a stub. We should just mention his mention in the references tab instead. It doesn't need an article for a one time mentioned name. <span style="font-family:Chiller"><big><big>[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">The</span> <span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:red">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Contribs.]])</sup></big></big></span> 13:41, 14 November 2012 (EST)
 *Support. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc|cjc]] 16:29, 18 November 2012 (EST)
-:We have 1060 mentioned characters today, what is wrong with articles like [[Arthur B. Ablabab]] for you admins? It's a person, same with Gorilla A, a name that Bart laughing to./[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 11:31, 19 November 2012 (EST)
+:We have 1060 mentioned characters today, what is wrong with articles like Arthur B. Ablabab for you admins? It's a person, same with Gorilla A, a name that Bart laughing to./[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 11:31, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 ::They are both terrible articles and could be mentioned with a list of those names on the References page as trivia. They '''do not''' deserve articles. <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 11:50, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 ::They both could be redirected to [[Sideshow Bob Roberts/References]] or whatever. Both Arthur B Abababa and the Aaron Aaronsons could just be mentioned in a line there - "When Lisa looked at the results for the mayoral election she found out that Arthur B. Ablabab voted for Sideshow Bob, just like Aaron A. Aaronson and Aaron L. Aaronson did.". Because, honestly speaking, can you say anyone will ever really look for a page like that? [[File:Cjcsdonut.png|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc|cjc]] 16:07, 19 November 2012 (EST)

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	This is something that I have been thinking about for a while now. I totally disagree with articles about characters or locations mentioned in passing or just seen written down or on a sign, in passing. I think that these should be against the notability policy.		This is something that I have been thinking about for a while now. I totally disagree with articles about characters or locations mentioned in passing or just seen written down or on a sign, in passing. I think that these should be against the notability policy.

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 :Sure, some articles may be lower than mentioned characters, but they are notable things, for example, tab pages, like you said. That Wedge Antilles article has a "History" of one line, which to me, is a stub. We should just mention his mention in the references tab instead. It doesn't need an article for a one time mentioned name. <span style="font-family:Chiller"><big><big>[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">The</span> <span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:red">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Contribs.]])</sup></big></big></span> 13:41, 14 November 2012 (EST)
 *Support. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc|cjc]] 16:29, 18 November 2012 (EST)
-:We have 1060 mentioned characters today, what is wrong with articles like [[Arthur B. Ablabab]] for you admins? It's a person, same with [[Gorilla A]], a name that Bart laughing to./[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 11:31, 19 November 2012 (EST)
+:We have 1060 mentioned characters today, what is wrong with articles like [[Arthur B. Ablabab]] for you admins? It's a person, same with Gorilla A, a name that Bart laughing to./[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 11:31, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 ::They are both terrible articles and could be mentioned with a list of those names on the References page as trivia. They '''do not''' deserve articles. <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 11:50, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 ::They both could be redirected to [[Sideshow Bob Roberts/References]] or whatever. Both Arthur B Abababa and the Aaron Aaronsons could just be mentioned in a line there - "When Lisa looked at the results for the mayoral election she found out that Arthur B. Ablabab voted for Sideshow Bob, just like Aaron A. Aaronson and Aaron L. Aaronson did.". Because, honestly speaking, can you say anyone will ever really look for a page like that? [[File:Cjcsdonut.png|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc|cjc]] 16:07, 19 November 2012 (EST)
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 === One last thing ===
-I feel that mentioned characters, those who are mentioned once, are totally unnotable. In fact, articles about the couch, characters beds, chairs, tables etc. are more notable than [[Gorilla A]] and other one time mentioned characters like that. If we stick with the policy, then we should just scrap the notability policy altogether. <span style="font-family:Chiller"><big><big>[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">The</span> <span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:red">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Contribs.]])</sup></big></big></span> 10:47, 28 November 2012 (EST)
+I feel that mentioned characters, those who are mentioned once, are totally unnotable. In fact, articles about the couch, characters beds, chairs, tables etc. are more notable than Gorilla A and other one time mentioned characters like that. If we stick with the policy, then we should just scrap the notability policy altogether. <span style="font-family:Chiller"><big><big>[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">The</span> <span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:red">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Contribs.]])</sup></big></big></span> 10:47, 28 November 2012 (EST)
 == Vote ==
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 == Another possible option ==
-Since the vote seems to be roughly 50/50 and I don't think one or two votes either way should sway it, there may be another option. Notability could be decided on a case by case basis. This means that articles such as [[Gorilla A]] can go whereas articles such as [[Kenny Rogers]] would be kept as Kenny Rogers is a famous person. Of course, there will be some gray areas where discussion will be needed to decide if the character, location, etc. is notable enough but most users can see an obviously unnotable articles (Gorilla A for example) and these should be marked for deletion.
+Since the vote seems to be roughly 50/50 and I don't think one or two votes either way should sway it, there may be another option. Notability could be decided on a case by case basis. This means that articles such as Gorilla A can go whereas articles such as [[Kenny Rogers]] would be kept as Kenny Rogers is a famous person. Of course, there will be some gray areas where discussion will be needed to decide if the character, location, etc. is notable enough but most users can see an obviously unnotable articles (Gorilla A for example) and these should be marked for deletion.
 Since these will be decided on a case by case basis, users can and should nominate others up for deletion the usual way, unless it is obvious that they are not notable, in which case, add the speedy delete template to the page instead. What does everybody think? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 13:02, 29 November 2012 (EST)

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	:Yep. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png\|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc\|cjc]] 16:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)		:Yep. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png\|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc\|cjc]] 16:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)
	:Seeming we worked this proposal out on IRC, I agree.--{{User:Cook879/sig}} 18:01, 30 November 2012 (EST)		:Seeming we worked this proposal out on IRC, I agree.--{{User:Cook879/sig}} 18:01, 30 November 2012 (EST)
		+	::Okay then, looks like this is settled. I will make a page for these minor articles that should be deleted. This will have two segments, one for those that are obviously unnotable and those with questionable notability, which will have discussion about. <span style="font-family:Chiller"><big><big>[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">The</span> <span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:red">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|Contribs.]])</sup></big></big></span> 12:33, 5 December 2012 (EST)

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	:That works for me. -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] 08:48, 30 November 2012 (EST)		:That works for me. -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] 08:48, 30 November 2012 (EST)
	:Yep. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png\|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc\|cjc]] 16:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)		:Yep. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png\|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc\|cjc]] 16:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)
		+	:Seeming we worked this proposal out on IRC, I agree.--{{User:Cook879/sig}} 18:01, 30 November 2012 (EST)

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	:I'm ok with this. --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 19:46, 29 November 2012 (EST)		:I'm ok with this. --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 19:46, 29 November 2012 (EST)
	:That works for me. -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] 08:48, 30 November 2012 (EST)		:That works for me. -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] 08:48, 30 November 2012 (EST)
		+	:Yep. [[File:Cjcsdonut.png\|30px]] -- [[User talk:Kingcjc\|cjc]] 16:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)

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	Since these will be decided on a case by case basis, users can and should nominate others up for deletion the usual way, unless it is obvious that they are not notable, in which case, add the speedy delete template to the page instead. What does everybody think? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 13:02, 29 November 2012 (EST)		Since these will be decided on a case by case basis, users can and should nominate others up for deletion the usual way, unless it is obvious that they are not notable, in which case, add the speedy delete template to the page instead. What does everybody think? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 13:02, 29 November 2012 (EST)
	:I'm ok with this. --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 19:46, 29 November 2012 (EST)		:I'm ok with this. --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 19:46, 29 November 2012 (EST)
		+	:That works for me. -- [[User:Mythigator\|Mythigator]] 08:48, 30 November 2012 (EST)

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	Since these will be decided on a case by case basis, users can and should nominate others up for deletion the usual way, unless it is obvious that they are not notable, in which case, add the speedy delete template to the page instead. What does everybody think? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 13:02, 29 November 2012 (EST)		Since these will be decided on a case by case basis, users can and should nominate others up for deletion the usual way, unless it is obvious that they are not notable, in which case, add the speedy delete template to the page instead. What does everybody think? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 13:02, 29 November 2012 (EST)
		+	:I'm ok with this. --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 19:46, 29 November 2012 (EST)

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	# --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 10:12, 28 November 2012 (EST)		# --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 10:12, 28 November 2012 (EST)
	# --{{User:Cook879/sig}} 12:50, 29 November 2012 (EST)		# --{{User:Cook879/sig}} 12:50, 29 November 2012 (EST)
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		+	== Another possible option ==
		+	Since the vote seems to be roughly 50/50 and I don't think one or two votes either way should sway it, there may be another option. Notability could be decided on a case by case basis. This means that articles such as [[Gorilla A]] can go whereas articles such as [[Kenny Rogers]] would be kept as Kenny Rogers is a famous person. Of course, there will be some gray areas where discussion will be needed to decide if the character, location, etc. is notable enough but most users can see an obviously unnotable articles (Gorilla A for example) and these should be marked for deletion.
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		+	Since these will be decided on a case by case basis, users can and should nominate others up for deletion the usual way, unless it is obvious that they are not notable, in which case, add the speedy delete template to the page instead. What does everybody think? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon\|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 13:02, 29 November 2012 (EST)

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	# [[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] 09:31, 28 November 2012 (EST)		# [[User:AleWi\|AleWi]] 09:31, 28 November 2012 (EST)
	# --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 10:12, 28 November 2012 (EST)		# --[[User:Nick97\|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97\|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97\|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup> 10:12, 28 November 2012 (EST)
		+	# --{{User:Cook879/sig}} 12:50, 29 November 2012 (EST)